Fox News on Indiana atheist bus ad

As if you needed any more proof that Fox “News” is just a bunch of blithering idiots who don’t make any sense at all:

Okay, first up:

Steve Doocy:  “So is this a victory for freedom of speech or do the ads just send the wrong message?”


I don’t think these are 2 mutually exclusive, conflicting ideas.

Then there’s Pastor Tony Taylor. Absolutely nothing this man says the entire time comes even remotely close to a rational thought. . .or you know, a coherent thought. Further, none of his arguments even logically follow from what has been said.

But let’s break this down, just for fun, shall we?

Steve Doocy:  As an atheist, you do not believe in god, and yet you sued to put god in your ad? Why?

Is Steve Doocy serious or is he just pretending to be the stupidest person on the planet? You see, Steve, what the ad is saying is that you don’t need to believe in your god to be a good person. Hence, there’s no contradiction between his being an atheist and promoting a sign with the word “god” in it. It’s called context, Steve. But I guess that’s a new concept for you boys at “Fox News.” And they sued Bloomington Transit for discrimination. It’s really not a hard concept to understand. Besides, I don’t think “You can be good without” would have made a very effective ad.

Steve Doocy:  “So you saw a loophole and you thought you’d test it.”

No, Steve. You’re still not getting it. There’s nothing overtly offensive about the mere suggestion that morality has a secular basis and not a religious one. Rather, that is about the least offensive ad an atheist organization could possibly think of. So I very much doubt they chose that particular slogan because they wanted to have it censored. I’d think they’d go with something far more critical of religion if they wanted that to happen. But Steve Doocy over here seems to think the word “God” itself is offensive. Well, glad we agree on something. But as the court ruled, this slogan is only offensive to the easily offendable. . .like this guy, for instance:

Tony Taylor:  “I feel it’s an outright attack on Christianity. I feel like the language of it is inflammatory… I think that this is just an agenda trying to get passed by the Left.”

Wow Tony! The ad actually doesn’t even mention Christianity. And it’s definitely not inflamatory unless you’re the kind of person who can’t handle anyone that disagrees with you and think that laws should reflect your own personal sensabilities. And what the hell does “the Left” have to do with this? Are you just reading this off of a pre-scripted teleprompter?

And if your faith in the teachings and absolute power of your god to control the universe is threatened by a 6-word-long bus ad,  you’re in real trouble, buddy. A strong belief system should value skepticism because it tests one’s faith, which in turn should lead to stronger faith when that belief is verifiable as the truth. Only false prophets, preaching a weak faith, fear the questioning of that faith, because they know they might be wrong and that scares the crap out of them.

Eoban Binder:  “What agenda?”

Tony Taylor:  “Well, just the agenda of…of farther removing God out of anything to do with public or politics.”

OHHHH! You mean the First Amendment! Actually Tony, as your boyfriend Steve just pointed out, they fought to keep “God” in the ad. Try to keep up. And how exactly is their expressing of their free speech and fighting to prevent discrimination remove God from anything?

Tony Taylor:  “I just think this is an entirely hypocritical stance…”

Um, Tony. Do you know what the word “hypocritical” means? Cause I don’t think ya do. The Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary defines hypocrisy as:

a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion

The ad says “You Can Be Good Without God” and Mr. Binder believes you can be good without God. Where is the hypocrisy? Now a true example of hypocrisy would be if you professed to uphold the unalianable human and civil rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as stated in the Declaration of Independence or the freedom granted to every American in the Constitution, and then took an anti-free speech position. That would be hypocrisy:

Tony Taylor:  “. . .because the Bill of Rights, you know, ensures us, you know, that the Founding Fathers said we found these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal. And I know just what it says. It says we find these truths…truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, and given certain unalienable rights, endowed to them by their creator, God.”

Wow! First of all, don’t you just love how he inserted the word “God” into the Preamble even though IT’S NOT THERE!!!! In fact, the reason the word “God” is not there or in the Declaration of Independence is because the writers of those documents were Deists who only believed in a vague Deist god and not your ridiculous god.

But I think more important here is that at no point did Taylor come close here to anything resembling a real logical argument. He’s just spouting out patriotic-sounding nonsense he has no clue about. The guy even makes a point of mentioning the word “equal” twice and yet he as well as the pundit for the “Fair and Balanced” network are promoting a position of  inequality. Ugh!

Wait. There’s more incoherent nonsense:

Tony Taylor:  “And so anyway, they use that fundamental right. . .”

Okay, I had to stop there for a moment. That’s right, Tony, they’re taking advantage of their fundamental right to free speech and to be treated as equals. Sorry, you were say?

Tony Taylor:  “. . .to walk into the Supreme Court of Indiana based upon these self-evident truths, and then to turn around and make a mockery of it and sue based on what they said that they can be good without God. I just think it’s a hypocritical stance. And I think that a lot of citizens of Bloomington are upset about it.

Again, how is it hypocritical to sue for being discriminated against by being deprived of what you yourself, Tony, admit is their unalianable right to be treated fairly and equally in exercising their Constitutionally protected free speech? How cares if people find a completely benign slogan offensive? There’s not law protecting people from being offended. And it’s not their opinion that you can be good without God; it’s a fact. Deal with it.

Steve Doocy:  “Why didn’t you have more of an atheist message, like, “You can feel good about yourself,” or something like that? Why did you have to include God?”

First of all, Steve, you obviously don’t know what an “atheist message” is, as this is actually just a secular message. And one would be hard pressed to find a more “atheist message” or secular message than “You Can Be Good Without God.” It’s certainly far more of an “atheist message” than your dopey and meaningless slogan, especially since atheism is itself a meaningless term when divorced from theism. That the mere suggestion it’s not impossible to be a good person and not believe in your god at the same time is deemed offensive to you just illustrates what a horrible human being you are, Steve.

Steve Doocy:  “But you have to realize that there are a lot of Christians in that area who are highly offended by this.”

And there’s a lot of sane people who are highly offended by your show, Steve. So when can I expect your resignation then?

Eoban Binder followed up this interview by sending Fox “News” some corrections of some of the babble that came out of Tony Taylor’s mouth:

The Constitution, and therefore the Bill of Rights, does have legal standing, but God is not mentioned in it. Therefore, the entire premise of Mr Taylor’s argument is false. Given that our campaign surely has many detractors as it does supporters, I was disappointed that Fox News was unable to find a guest who was capable of delivering any kind of remotely sensible argument against our campaign, but then again, I suppose I could have been expecting too much anyhow.

All the same, thank you for having me on your show.

Yeah, I’m sure Fox will be making those corrections any minute now, since they’re so commited to journalistic excellence. Yeah, I won’t hold my breath either.


3 Responses to Fox News on Indiana atheist bus ad

  1. Michelle says: is reporting prominently on their main page:

    A jury in central Wisconsin will begin deliberating Friday in the case of a father charged with homicide for allegedly praying instead of taking his dying daughter to a doctor. isn’t talking about it.

    I love Foxnews.

  2. brooke says:

    actually Pastor Taylor said things that made a lot of sense, you just picked out the things you though you could use to make it seems like he is contradicting himself. i think it would be ok to put an atheist message somewhere else like a billboard or somethig to that effect, but some people have no choice but to ride the public bus and that isn’t fair to them if they have some bull crap atheist message on the buses.

    • mjr256 says:

      Is this a joke comment? Did Steve Doocy put you up to this? I quoted almost the entire segment in my response.

      Should we could put the ad somewhere where people won’t see it (obviously the goal of any advertisment), but don’t want to. And there’s this thing called the First Amendment that explicitly says don’t have to.

      “but some people have no choice but to ride the public bus”

      No, they can walk or take a taxi, or a subway or carpool, etc. There’s no one on Earth who has no choice but to ride the bus. That’s just absurd.

      And you know what? I don’t like having to look at religious signs all the time, or having my afternoon in public parks interrupted by street preachers. In fact it offends me. It’s not fair. But you know what? Too bad. You don’t see me trying to censor other people’s speech. I’m a grown up and part of adulthood means learning to tolerate adversity. If you can’t do so and feel that looking at an entirely inoffensive sign will cause your face to melt off, I feel sorry for you. If you want to quarantine yourself from the rest of the world, I suggest you don’t leave your house.

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