Rick Warren disavows support for Prop. 8

April 8, 2009

Well look who just suddenly shifted his position. Rick Warren now claims:

“I am not an anti-gay or anti-marriage activist. Never have been, never will be. The whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement.”

Of course this claim is a flat-out lie and in this internet age, his anti-gay marriage stance has been recorded for all posterity:

Let me just say this really clearly. We support Proposition 8. And if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8…. We should not let 2% of the population change the definition of marriage that has been supported by every single culture and religion for 5,000 years. This isn’t a Christian issue, it’s a humanitarian issue…. So I urge you to support Proposition 8 and pass that word on. I’m going to be sending out a note to pastors on what I believe about this, but everybody knows what I believe about it.

This is what we pretty much knew was going to happen. Like with the whole slavery issue, we’ll gradually start to see more and more religious sweep their anti-gay history and scriptures under the rug as homosexuality becomes more culturally acceptable until we’ll eventually try to claim all the credit for leading the movement responsible accepting gays in the first place.

That’s exactly what happened with the abolition, black civil rights, and women’s rights movements. The abolitionist movement was primarily made up of secularists who opposed the religious who quoted scripture to justify the slave trade. And yet somehow today it’s insisted that Christian values freed the slaves. The black civil rights movement was also largely led by secularists and even atheists. The Christian Rev. Martin Luther King was one of several other important leaders in that movement, not to in any way diminish his pivital role. But King was a liberal progressive reverand who learned much of his non-violent civil disobedience playbook from the Hindu Gandhi and happily worked alongside many atheists. And every famous leader of the women’s rights movement was an atheist: Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Margaret Sanger, et al.

So as much as Warren wishes we can all forget, it cannot be forgotten that he directly supported Proposition 8 and preaches a religion that explicitly condemns gay marriage.

Slavery is not wrong

November 30, 2008

Slavery is not wrong – Wow! And the scary part is this is written by a black woman. I particularly love this part:

One thing that I have learnt in my 2 and half years as a born again Christian is that God is sovereign.

And this little gem here:

I understand that there is so much evil in slavery, when masters abuse their slaves. That is wrong. The bible condemns treating others in an evil way. So this is not the issue. But slavery in itself is not wrong. Just as husbands can abuse wives, does it mean marriage is evil? Or parents can abuse their children, does it mean parenting is wrong? Because masters can be evil to their slaves, it doesn’t mean that slavery is wrong. Just as wives are to be submissive to their husbands, likewise slaves are to be submissive to their masters.

And this one:

I do not believe slavery is wrong, because a) The bible does not condemn slavery and b) Slavery makes so much sense and to say slavery is wrong we rob the gospel off its meaning and even Election. The concept of total submission and slavery is at the very heart of Christ’s gospel.

Religion–can’t live with it. . .end of sentence.